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Monthly meeting of the Core Team to move postmarketOS forward. Important discussion results are written down in this wiki page.
- 1 2022-10-13
- 2 2022-09-12
- 3 2022-08-22
- 4 2022-07-20
- 5 2022-06-29
- 6 2022-05-27
- 7 2022-04-26
- 8 2022-03-21
- 9 2022-02-23
- 10 2022-01-25
- 11 2021-12-15
- 12 2021-11-19
- 13 2021-10-13
- 14 2021-09-21
- 15 2021-08-26
- 16 2021-07-13
- 17 2021-06-16
- 18 2021-05-18
- 19 2021-04-14
- 20 2021-03-16
- 21 2021-02-18
- 22 2021-01-15
- 23 2020-12-14
- 24 2020-11-23
- 25 2020-10-26
- 26 2020-09-24
- 27 2020-08-25
- started setting up riscv64 during the team meeting, now it's supported in edge
- started a workflow for issue triaging (WIP) -> Triaging
- pmaports issue template: removed "Other" UIs long list, replaced with "fill in" thing
- discussed providing nightly dev packages for Plasma Mobile -> we would like to implement this, but due to time concerns we can't commit to it right now
- use semver for device packages? -> nope
- CI check for pkgrel, pkgver: discussed ideas implemented in pmaports!3615
- pipewire: can we switch to it before v22.12 is out? nope, too close; v23.06 would be reasonable;
- what are the blockers? Some sdm845 bugs are currently being ironed out
- shirts: renamed "The other OG" to "Classic", as we already have OG in another shirt title and it was kind of overused there
- support WSL qemu in pmbootstrap? rather not
- discussed who to propose for commit rights in alpine, see https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/tsc/-/issues/57
- discussed whether to provide pre-built images for gnome shell on mobile in pmOS edge -> yes, as it's fine with upstream; discussed to adjust postmarketos-welcome
- updated Device categorization, replaced "coming soon: all of them must have automatic kernel upgrade working" with "All of them must have automatic kernel upgrade working" and clarified it
- see also: pmaports#1158
- kernel configs:
- added -i to apk add comments in Terminal_cheat_sheet
- discussed replacing the official pmOS logo with this variation but decided against it, too much going on right now, not worth it. instead we can make it an option for the pmOS boot splash, so the users can switch to it if they want. the default would still be the official logo for consistency.
- Minecrell decided to step down from core team member to trusted community member
- investigated pmaports#1618 together
- updated pmaports#1133: enable zram by default -> yes
- talked about removing mirrors from github, decided to do it
- got rid of wiki badges for discord/github etc, we don't want to endorse these proprietary platforms
- discussed finishing up PPP -> community (pmaports!3238)
- went through remaining tasks for v22.06
- reconsidered approach to service packs, as announced here
- added a bot to /r/postmarketOS to point people with Sxmo questions to their IRC channel and ML (as suggested by Sxmo team), and while at it, added messages to point at the pmOS issue tracker as well.
- Discussed what to do about gitlab.com changes
- Apply for "GitLab for Open Source" to get some more time
- In the long run probably move to something else, more research needed.
- Discussed "How to change versions when changing a package multiple times in one MR?" (pmaports#1463)
- Should we have an announcement channel for new blog posts, podcasts etc. @room pings instead of posting into the main channel?
- We considered this but decided against it. postmarketOS notifications is on topic for the postmarketOS channel. We have subchannels if one does not want to take part in the general discussions, like the porting channel. So we'll keep these notifications in the main postmarketOS channel instead of making yet another channel.
- Discussed how to finish up linux-postmarketos.git storage issues (postmarketos#47)
- Decided to not put links to comments at the bottom for future blog posts
- Started doing that with v2.12 SP4
- New team members: Caleb, Newbyte
- Voting process for new team members: from now on, a new team member requires unanimous votes
- status sr.ht arm builder:
- boots up fine
- dependency: getting EU datacenter up for sourcehut
- Discussed how to systematically move a proper release upgrade process forward, result in pmaports#1432
- Decided to move kernels from main/ to device directories (device/main, device/community), result in pmaports!2882
- Release process:
- Decided to shorten the release process timeline from 6 to 3 weeks, so in winter it doesn't collide with the holidays around new year
- Decided to have a proper feature freeze, so it's less testing effort and the shortened timeline actually works
- Decided to really focus on upgrading from one alpine release to the next one in a release, try to avoid creating features specific for a release during that timeframe. This also helps avoiding a long release timeline. Either implement features over the time leading up to the release, or have them in service packs.
- Ollie will update the process in the wiki and add a new timeline some time soon before the next release
- Better description for edge/stable: postmarketos.org!157
- Discussed enabling the dispatch.sr.ht thing to enable creation of MRs via patches sent to sr.ht mailing lists. We decided to enable it as experiment for now, may consider disabling it again in the future if it should become too much maintenance effort (apparently right now it will create a second MR when submitting v2 of patches, so we may end up having lots of duplicate MRs that we need to close; and maybe it has other unintended side effects).
- Try to add X-Purism-FormFactor to all mobile app desktop files?
- Problem is that this is not a real standard with "X-Purism" infront
- Martijn found a way to override it in a dconf setting, so we don't need to modify all the .desktop files. Let's go with that!
- Related: add StartupNotification=True? This is a standard, so yes, add it where it is missing if we see it. Note that GTK sets this automatically.
- Went through v21.12 milestone
- N900 gets dropped from next release unless we find a new maintainer. Last call on Mastodon.
- New team structure, introducing Trusted Contributors
- See new wiki page: Team members
- Adopted Alpine's CoC as the pmOS CoC
- new MR: postmarketos.org!132
- New requirement for moving devices to community category (in Device categorization):
- 2021-11 and later: track record of upgrading the kernel, device kernel or SoC kernel must at least have been upgraded through 3 kernel releases
- MRs for moving devices to community that have been opened before we added this don't need to follow the rule yet.
- This will prevent situations like "newly added device/SoC goes straight to community" and we can be somewhat sure that maintainer will not disappear after initial work is done.
- Discussed whether we want to add wlroots with powervr patches to pmaports -> no
- Discussed improvements for using pmbootstrap non-interactively:
- decided to drop support for using osk-sdl with directfb, so it can be dropped from sdl2 as dependency. directfb has long been unmaintained upstream. In practice, this means only mainlined devices / devices with DRM working instead of only framebuffer will be able to use osk-sdl.
- On demand, somebody could work on a simple cryptsetup text prompt (cryptsetup luksOpen) in case DRM is not available. That might help with some of the convertibles that run postmarketOS... though some of them are already using mainline and therefore have a DRM backend. So if somebody wants this, please open an issue in pmaports.
- EDIT: actually not everybody is in favor, so we'll discuss it again next meeting. it's not urgent.
- Discussed and agreed on adding "No vendor lock-in" to our principles
- Discussed how to improve device testing before new postmarketOS releases, decided to create a new release-party channel and to coordinate there. Ollie created this timeline for new releases and we agreed together with device and UI maintainers that we'll use this moving forward.
- our aarch64 build server (will build binary packages natively in sourcehut builds to avoid issues with qemu!) has arrived at Martijns, he's setting it up now :) (see related mastodon posts etc)
- qemu: doesn't have network with UI=none since networkmanager isn't in postmarketos-base anymore
- use e.g.
pmbootstrap install --add=networkmanagerfor now, see this new note
- use e.g.
- on-device installer: decided to remove sshd prompts for all UIs
- already implemented, see here
- decided to drop the "packaging" label in pmaports (it was more useful when pmbootstrap and pmaports were in the same repository). it's removed now.
- Discussed what to do about gitlab.com's new measures to prevent cryptomining abuse (they require validating new accounts with a credit card or debit cart or else they can't use CI)
- Understandable measure to prevent CI abuse, but very inconvenient for users
- Decided to wait and see if this becomes a problem at all (do we get lots of MRs without CI?), and if it's the case, come up with a solution then.
- One solution could be asking our friends from alpine if we could use their runners.
- How do we get that awesome alpine-qa bot?
- Came up with a workflow for creating a service pack (new wiki page), created v21.03.1 branch and issue (see Releases)
- Decided which packages should be in postmarketOS and which ones should be in Alpine and moved some already (but didn't go through all of them in order to spend not too much time on it)
- Replace Device Wishlist wiki page with organization repository (postmarketos#39) -> not worth it
- We want to do quarterly finance reports (listing how much we receive in donations, how we spend it). Ollie will look into it.
- UPDATE 2022-04-24: Talked to NLNet about this, not worth the effort right now.
- Decided to disable charging-sdl in the initramfs as it's broken (pmaports#1064)
- When pushing changes in gitlab, approvals are currently disappearing. This is annoying, because then one needs to look through the log to figure out who approved it. The argument for keeping it as-is was, because the approvals were really done at a certain time with certain commits pushed, if new commits get pushed, it is a different patch. The counter argument to that is, that keeping the approvals still makes it easier to see who has approved in the past, and the person who merges the commit still needs to review the patch again and must make sure that nobody pushed garbage to it right before merging / after previous approvals. We decided to try "keeping approvals after push" for one month in pmaports and pmbootstrap, and then see if we keep it that way.
- Agreed on promoting free software social networking software more.
- Replace device milestones with issue labels.
- Discussed for about ten minutes if we want to have
- News strategy: now that we have many types of media, where do we discuss which type of content? Rough template for the future:
- blog posts: mostly cover postmarketOS stable, user-facing stuff
- podcasts: cover postmarketOS edge too, more development faced stuff, and in more detail, stuff happening upstream
- mastodon / twitter: post new blog posts + podcast episodes, short posts about interesting stuff happening in edge
- reddit: post new blog posts and podcast episodes
- Roadmap for 2021
- January: v20.05.1 service pack
- March: v21.03 release based on Alpine 3.13
- Later this year: v21.xx release based on Alpine 3.14
- See new Releases wiki page and related milestones for details
- How long do we want to keep MRs open?
- let's configure a bot that does:
- warning after 1 month of inactivity
- close after 2 months of inactivity
- until we have a bot, manually close issues with 2 months of inactivity
- let's configure a bot that does:
- Remove or reword "calls don't work on most phones yet"?
- Leave it as-is for now, so we don't give people wrong expectations.
- First service pack for v20.05 status: see pmaports!1813
- Accessibility: 2020 Digital accessibility quick scan report
- Add a "leaderboard of donations" on the homepage?
- Too much effort to maintain and GDPR concerns.
- We talked about when/if features should be backported to stable. Backporting every feature 5 days after it was merged to edge is too much effort. The solution we came up with is creating a monthly dot release with interesting features backported. All backports in one merge request, test them together, then merge. We'll do the merge request for these dot releases at the beginning of each team meeting, and if somebody wants to suggest something to backport just let us know in the chat or issues.
- pinetab will be moved to device/community
- pinephone will be moved to device/main
- We're going to use the CODEOWNERS feature of Gitlab on demand, e.g. for shared kernels or specific packages a user is interested in
- We're changing how we approve MR's, see the updated rules page
- New features to edge that should also appear on the master branch will be backported after a week or so, at least 5 days
- To move a device to the community directory will require it to run a close to mainline kernel just as with the main directory
- The PinePhone will use a forked version of Megi's branch. We won't use p-boot though
- We're going to have minimal kernel configs in pmaports.git and use shared fragments pmb#1824
- Megapixels will be the default photo taking app in Phosh
- Write down results of this meeting and future meetings in this public wiki page.
- Decide on principles of postmarketOS: about postmarketOS#Principles
- Decide first iteration of guidelines for packaging patches
- Apply GTK+ patches to master too (pmaports#690). Most importantly, because stable should be a snapshot of master.
- Do not merge back libhybris/Halium related patches as they cost us significant maintenance effort without benefit. If somebody wants to have it, they should create their own aports repository (and binary packages if desired), like Sxmo is doing it currently. We would also accept some integration into pmbootstrap, like an additional question in "pmbootstrap init" that makes it easy to use this 3rd party repository.
- Mastodon: PureTryOut got access to the account, in order to make it more active (see Infrastructure Maintainers)
- We discussed if we want to keep the "two approvals before merge" rule (see Team guidelines). We do want to keep it, the benefits of better review are worth the increased time until a MR gets merged.
- Get all devices from community into stable -> new issue: pmaports#724